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Itsalltoomuch
Itsalltoomuch
60. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 6:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 8:48 PM EDT
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In Never Let Me Go - wasn't she talking to Barry about him being a telepath & he asked her not to tell anyone? Or I am thinking of a different scene?

RE: the Jessica thing - she lied because she knew it was a stupid, indefensible thing to do. JMO

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she was & Barry told her not to tell anyone.. what does Sookie do Tell Bill ( in a different episode)..lol !! but she still lied about the ordeal .. Bill asked her a simple question & her first response was a lie.. she could have said i dont want to talk about it or something... Sookie is just as much as a phoney as Bill.. & i wonder where the writer's are going with this.. Sookie lies to Bill & Bill lies to Sookie so their "true love is based on lies"? lmfao !!

one little lie grows into a big little one which becomes a rock & then Grand Canyon...lol ! Sookie's point of yelling at Bill got lessened when she to lied about something that was petty... her point is meaningless to Bill for that..
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Itsalltoomuch
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61. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 6:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 6:22 PM EDT
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Yeah, Vampires are suspicious by nature - not much gets past them. I don't believe in coincidences: Bill, an employee or "friend" of the Queen- just so happens to end up in Bon Temp; Sookie's cousin is member of the Queen's Court; The Queen knows that Bill has had her blood; the Queen knows Sookie's not entirely human; Sookie flaunts her telepathy in front of everyone so you know Hadley told the Queen.

And the Queen would want Sookie for her services.

This is the same logic - that vampires are highly perceptive & suspicious as well the fact that the Queen would want Sookie's services - that makes me think Eric knows about the edict - if the clues are there, he's going to pick up on them. Without re-watching the S1 episodes, I'm going to say that Eric probably confirmed the edict after the tribunal. When Eric said "Now that sounds like an edict - but if it were I would know about it"... he's not going to just brush it aside. Those of you re-watching S1 right now look for clues after that episode... I probably won't get to re-watching them until around the holidays..




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i totaly suspect that Eric might have figured out something in the books , but i think QSA sold Bill out in DD.. The Queen sent two different males to block Eric from Sookie (Bill & Quinn). Both Bill & Quinn have tasted Sookie blood ( Bill in DUD & other books & Quinn in DAAD).. they Both became enthralled with her ( & that may be the trigger that QSA was looking for)
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doohansen
doohansen
62. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 7:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 7:41 PM EDT
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IATM - just to jump on the advice bandwagon (you'll get loads of it..LOL!) - I've been a vegetarian for over 20 years and was during my pregnancies too, but I agree you should eat what you crave... unless you have deep philosophical or religious reasons for not eating certain meats.

Doo - I don't know how you stuck to that diet - you should have been given a special award or something! I had the heightened sense of smell too. My husband did not eat chicken, any kind of seafood or any pickled foods during each of my pregnancies because the smell made me nauseous.

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Only reason I stuck to it was that I didn't want a 11 lb baby and had to test my blood sugar 5 times a day/ endocrinologist would check my meter every two w2eeks and get on me if I cheated. It is amazing what you can do if you are totally accountable to someone else. Funny thing is, no Diabetes in the family and I only weigh 112 soaking wet. Not sure how I got the bad gene.

I agree with you about your advice ti IATM eat what you crave, that is what your body and baby want.
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doohansen
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63. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 7:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 7:43 PM EDT
"I think that's a great idea!! Because, heck, we're gonna blow through this thread, too, and before we know it, we'll be firing up Thread #3 and Thread #4 and so on."
Yeah, great idea, but who is gonna do it?
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midnight_charm
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64. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 8:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 8:19 PM EDT
"Oooh, that's an intriguing question. Could it be that he was a particularly creative partier? Having been raised by Lorena, is it possible he had all kinds of wild scenarios up his sleeve?

I remember in that one flashback where he and Lorena had the couple in their house and Lorena killed the man while Bill bit the woman and then they had sex while the woman bled to death. Bill didn't look like anything less than a full-on participant. He reminded me of those kids everyone knows when growing up, the kind that do all kinds of wild things and entertain the pack, and they're the really daring child, the one who does things no one else would do but everyone is sort of entertained by.

I tend to theorize that Bill originally had minimal intention of mainstreaming but having Sookie's blood in him and knowing her has changed him. When he said "you're my miracle, Sookie", did he mean, "with you around me, I can do things I never was able to achieve previously"?

Is it possible he had something like a dichotomy inside him , that he didn't want to do the bad things sometimes, but other times he did, and being humanlike was nothing he could ever achieve for any length of time? Until he met Sookie? "
If you'll recall from the flashback, Bill had been in a different room with the MAN while Lorena had been alone with the woman. Bill came back in without his pants. Then there was Jerry all over Malcolm...
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Selle_Castaigneda
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65. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 8:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 8:55 PM EDT
"If you'll recall from the flashback, Bill had been in a different room with the MAN while Lorena had been alone with the woman. Bill came back in without his pants. Then there was Jerry all over Malcolm..."
You're totally right. So is Bill pansexual, like AB says all vamps are? Or at the very least, when he was a major partier, like in that flashback, was he pansexual then?
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midnight_charm
midnight_charm
66. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 9:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 9:06 PM EDT
"edited to focus on this point

I tend to theorize that Bill originally had minimal intention of mainstreaming but having Sookie's blood in him and knowing her has changed him. When he said "you're my miracle, Sookie", did he mean, "with you around me, I can do things I never was able to achieve previously"?

Is it possible he had something like a dichotomy inside him , that he didn't want to do the bad things sometimes, but other times he did, and being humanlike was nothing he could ever achieve for any length of time? Until he met Sookie? "
I wanted to quote this again and highlight this section.

Selle, I think you've hit upon the most compassionate yet realistic assessment of Bill I have seen. Not to mention, succinct and to the point.

Kudos to you Selle! Bill should have your quote as a signature line!
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Selle_Castaigneda
Selle_Castaigneda
67. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 9:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 9:09 PM EDT
"I wanted to quote this again and highlight this section.

Selle, I think you've hit upon the most compassionate yet realistic assessment of Bill I have seen. Not to mention, succinct and to the point.

Kudos to you Selle! Bill should have your quote as a signature line!"
Thanks, MidnightCharm:)
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Itsalltoomuch
Itsalltoomuch
68. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 11:15 PM EDT
"You're totally right. So is Bill pansexual, like AB says all vamps are? Or at the very least, when he was a major partier, like in that flashback, was he pansexual then?"
did AB say that? i know Eric is pansexual based on the books & what Eric said in DAG.. But Bill? that was never clear to me that Bill was, unless i missed somthing ( though it would make sense because he is a vamp)..

this is my take on it : like maker like Child ( Bill is a wet blanket & Eric is pansexual). Eric liked & enjoyed women before he was a vamp & therefore he does after being turned. we dont know if Bill had male on male sex action because it wasent explained in the books. but Bill has other issues. he is like his maker wet blanket & enthralled & attached to someone just as Lorena did to him. so Bill may not have experianced gay activity but he acts gay..Bill looses his idenity under his involvment with Sookie, Lorena lost herself in Bill. & Jessica already proved to have some wet blanket issues ( her relationship with Hoyt).. Eric & Appius are fighter's but i guess good lover's ( Greek ppl back in the days use to have sex w/oneanother no matter the sex). So Appius proves to be that i suppose..lol !! & maybe Lorena wasent :-)
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akel
akel
69. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 11:14 AM EDT
"Yeah, great idea, but who is gonna do it?"

I can put something together. I recently did a summary on another thread for a member who wanted to get up to speed. Rygee recently re-posted the maenad theory (I have those post#s noted)... MC has a link to a page which explains the Bill POV theory in detail...most of the other theories aren't as detailed...so it actually shouldn't be too bad. I might need some help on setting up an editable page on the Wiki. Just give me a few days. I just came back from Dr. to see what's going on - and the winner is: pneumonia! Tis the season! Actually, it's not too bad but I'll need to get caught up at work before tackling my Wiki project!

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Selle_Castaigneda
Selle_Castaigneda
70. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 11:31 AM EDT
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I can put something together. I recently did a summary on another thread for a member who wanted to get up to speed. Rygee recently re-posted the maenad theory (I have those post#s noted)... MC has a link to a page which explains the Bill POV theory in detail...most of the other theories aren't as detailed...so it actually shouldn't be too bad. I might need some help on setting up an editable page on the Wiki. Just give me a few days. I just came back from Dr. to see what's going on - and the winner is: pneumonia! Tis the season! Actually, it's not too bad but I'll need to get caught up at work before tackling my Wiki project!

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Omigosh, pneumonia! I'm so sorry to hear you have this, Akel, what an awful thing. What does it feel like, I've never had it. Do you just feel short of breath?

For the Specs Summary page, is there available access to the archived wiki page? If there is, that might help.
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Selle_Castaigneda
Selle_Castaigneda
71. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 11:34 AM EDT
"I think we should start a thread 'a list of Bills faults snd lies'
All the things that keep popping up i think it'll be quickly filled up!

Also i think he got Sookies warning about people going after Diane, liam and Malcom. Funny how he never warned his own kind?! His old room mates.
That was odd. He plays for him self no one else."
You're right, I never really noticed that before. It kinda sounded like Malcolm had a cell phone because he said to Bill, "you didn't return my calls, if I had feelings, mine would be hurt", so it seems like he'd be reachable.

Also, in the book, Bill was upset they'd been killed, but in the show, I didn't see that he was anything besides glad to see Sookie and horny and hungry.
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Eric'sWoman
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72. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 11:34 AM EDT
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I can put something together. I recently did a summary on another thread for a member who wanted to get up to speed. Rygee recently re-posted the maenad theory (I have those post#s noted)... MC has a link to a page which explains the Bill POV theory in detail...most of the other theories aren't as detailed...so it actually shouldn't be too bad. I might need some help on setting up an editable page on the Wiki. Just give me a few days. I just came back from Dr. to see what's going on - and the winner is: pneumonia! Tis the season! Actually, it's not too bad but I'll need to get caught up at work before tackling my Wiki project!

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Pneumonia....been there done that. Be careful not to over do yourself. You can set yourself back real easy.

A Season 3 Theory Page would be awsome. Sometimes by the time I catch up with all the thoughts, we have already moved on to another one...lol
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Eric'sWoman
Eric'sWoman
73. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 11:37 AM EDT
"You're right, I never really noticed that before. It kinda sounded like Malcolm had a cell phone because he said to Bill, "you didn't return my calls, if I had feelings, mine would be hurt", so it seems like he'd be reachable.

Also, in the book, Bill was upset they'd been killed, but in the show, I didn't see that he was anything besides glad to see Sookie and horny and hungry. "
'Sookie horny and hungry.......lmao.

A thread for Bill's lies would be great. There will be a lot of anamosity from the Bill fans, but how can anyone argue with what is plain to see.
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Selle_Castaigneda
Selle_Castaigneda
74. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:45 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 11:45 AM EDT
"They stopped their attempt to feed on Sookie the second Bill said she was his. As you said above, feeding on a human without permission from her vamp could get them into serious trouble with the Magister so I doubt they would ever risk doing such a thing.

The Magister would laugh a Bill out of court if he came before him and said 'the nesters keep coming near my human'. He would say "hellO, HUman". I can't imagine there's a law against it.

Bill's intention was to keep them away from Sookie so HE didn't look bad to Sookie by associating with them. And he used the threat of the queen to accomplish this, even though any other ordinary, young vamp off the street couldn't hope to pull that kind of trump."
I have to agree. The law is not to feed on another's human and that seems to be the extent of the law. Seems like most everything else is allowed. Theoretically, Malcolm could shower Sookie in roses and diamonds to get her to hopefully reject Bill, thus freeing herself from his claim and then go to Malcolm at which time he could feed from her.

But that's all allowed, going near another person's human. I think there's a corrollary example of Bill telling a vamp to stay away from Sookie. Didn't Bill say to Eric, "stay away from Sookie"?

And didn't Eric say "or what?", to which Bill replied "or I'll tell the Queen you've been selling vampire blood". Bill didn't want Eric around Sookie either, presumably for fear of losing her or Eric revealing Bill's secrets to Sookie.
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Selle_Castaigneda
Selle_Castaigneda
75. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:49 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 11:49 AM EDT
"did AB say that? i know Eric is pansexual based on the books & what Eric said in DAG.. But Bill? that was never clear to me that Bill was, unless i missed somthing ( though it would make sense because he is a vamp)......"
It was in the interviews posted on OnDemand when TB first started airing in the first season. To my knowledge, it's not been repeated since, though. So I'm guessing they're probably not going to exploit that vamp quality anytime soon or they'd be prepping us for it??
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akel
akel
76. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:50 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 11:50 AM EDT
"Omigosh, pneumonia! I'm so sorry to hear you have this, Akel, what an awful thing. What does it feel like, I've never had it. Do you just feel short of breath?

For the Specs Summary page, is there available access to the archived wiki page? If there is, that might help."

Actually, the pneumonia isn't as bad as the asthma that proceeded it. With pneumonia you have a productive cough (unless you have asthma which closes the airways and prevents you from coughing anything up)... fever, chills and for me shortness of breath upon exertion or when talking a lot. I'm fine if I just sit and do nothing. My wonderful hubby is coming home at lunch time to take care of the kids for the rest of the day. I'll be on Levaquin for a while. I've opted to wait and see if I need prednisone since I hate its side effects. It seems everyone is sick around my area. The flu (or H1N1) is going around but my flu test came back negative... just plain old sick.


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akel
akel
77. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 11:54 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 12:08 PM EDT
"'Sookie horny and hungry.......lmao.

A thread for Bill's lies would be great. There will be a lot of anamosity from the Bill fans, but how can anyone argue with what is plain to see."

OMG if we start a Bill's Lies thread pitchforks & torches will be raised! I'm sure there will be a "Why Eric is a Prick" thread started as well - LOL. We'll just be sure to stick to the facts - as you say, lies are lies - and we don't write the show, we're just reporting what we see!

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Itsalltoomuch
Itsalltoomuch
78. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 12:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 12:02 PM EDT
"It was in the interviews posted on OnDemand when TB first started airing in the first season. To my knowledge, it's not been repeated since, though. So I'm guessing they're probably not going to exploit that vamp quality anytime soon or they'd be prepping us for it??"
interesting.. i didnt catch that on demand but thanks Selle.. i guess that would make sense that all the vamps proberly explore other avenues once turned for sexual pleasure..
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Selle_Castaigneda
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79. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 26 2009, 12:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2009, 12:09 PM EDT
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Actually, the pneumonia isn't as bad as the asthma that proceeded it. With pneumonia you have a productive cough (unless you have asthma which closes the airways and prevents you from coughing anything up)... fever, chills and for me shortness of breath upon exertion or when talking a lot. I'm fine if I just sit and do nothing. My wonderful hubby is coming home at lunch time to take care of the kids for the rest of the day. I'll be on Levaquin for a while. I've opted to wait and see if I need prednisone since I hate its side effects. It seems everyone is sick around my area. The flu (or H1N1) is going around but my flu test came back negative... just plain old sick.


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Thank God it's not H1N1.

Prednisone side effects? I know they always warn about those, but once I had to take it for a skin condition in a low dose for 10 days and I loved it. I felt like I could zoom around the house, clean it top to bottom, go to work, kick butt there, and then go home and split a cord of wood. Then I could get three hours of sleep, get up in the morning and do it all again.
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