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Selle_Castaigneda
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40. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 4:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 4:09 PM EDT
"They stopped their attempt to feed on Sookie the second Bill said she was his. As you said above, feeding on a human without permission from her vamp could get them into serious trouble with the Magister so I doubt they would ever risk doing such a thing.

The Magister would laugh a Bill out of court if he came before him and said 'the nesters keep coming near my human'. He would say "hellO, HUman". I can't imagine there's a law against it.

Bill's intention was to keep them away from Sookie so HE didn't look bad to Sookie by associating with them. And he used the threat of the queen to accomplish this, even though any other ordinary, young vamp off the street couldn't hope to pull that kind of trump."
I agree. The trio's interest in Sookie seemed pretty minimal to me. The minute Bill said stop, they stopped instantly. And even when they went to Merlotte's, Malcolm made it clear they went to attract Bill and not necessarily Sookie. Malcolm appeared genuinely surprised when he saw Sookie there.
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Selle_Castaigneda
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41. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 4:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 4:15 PM EDT
"unless he was there for another reason than to just live in the old compton house and mainstream? Wonder what that reason could be hhmmm."
I know. I mean, heck, if he's so interested in living in that old house, why doesn't he take some pride and replace that peeling faded wallpaper for starters. Gack! The house looks like crap and regardless of his statement that he's fixing it up, it sure doesn't show much work to me. I don't see the words into actions from him in this area.
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Itsalltoomuch
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42. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 4:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 4:54 PM EDT
"I know. I mean, heck, if he's so interested in living in that old house, why doesn't he take some pride and replace that peeling faded wallpaper for starters. Gack! The house looks like crap and regardless of his statement that he's fixing it up, it sure doesn't show much work to me. I don't see the words into actions from him in this area."
lmfao , Selle that is funny....lol !! he could have found a reason to redecorate if he would have carried a cover outside with him, he passed curtains , blankets & whatnot...
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akel
akel
43. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 4:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 4:40 PM EDT
"I agree. The trio's interest in Sookie seemed pretty minimal to me. The minute Bill said stop, they stopped instantly. And even when they went to Merlotte's, Malcolm made it clear they went to attract Bill and not necessarily Sookie. Malcolm appeared genuinely surprised when he saw Sookie there. "

Why do you think they were so interested in Bill?

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Selle_Castaigneda
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44. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 4:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 4:59 PM EDT
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Why do you think they were so interested in Bill?

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Oooh, that's an intriguing question. Could it be that he was a particularly creative partier? Having been raised by Lorena, is it possible he had all kinds of wild scenarios up his sleeve?

I remember in that one flashback where he and Lorena had the couple in their house and Lorena killed the man while Bill bit the woman and then they had sex while the woman bled to death. Bill didn't look like anything less than a full-on participant. He reminded me of those kids everyone knows when growing up, the kind that do all kinds of wild things and entertain the pack, and they're the really daring child, the one who does things no one else would do but everyone is sort of entertained by.

I tend to theorize that Bill originally had minimal intention of mainstreaming but having Sookie's blood in him and knowing her has changed him. When he said "you're my miracle, Sookie", did he mean, "with you around me, I can do things I never was able to achieve previously"?

Is it possible he had something like a dichotomy inside him , that he didn't want to do the bad things sometimes, but other times he did, and being humanlike was nothing he could ever achieve for any length of time? Until he met Sookie?
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45. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:05 PM EDT
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Why do you think they were so interested in Bill?

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(IMO) i think they were taunting Bill. Bill delivered an empty threat that the village idiots carried through because of their hate for vamps ( which leads us to Eric's place of torture in s2)...

Bill carries no authority & he can only threat which is what TB has him doing to Eric about the V dealing... i think Bill was talking about QSA since Malcom was living in her state though he was residing in Eric's area.. that would be an example of Bill going over Eric's head (which i think the writer's were trying to convey on the sly)...IDK , but that is what i got out of it . since the books dont ever suggest a Magister but rather Queens & Kings then TB invented the Magister. Bill was willing to drop QSA mission once he re-connected himself with Lorena & he didnt call the Queen he called his Sheriff , becauase QSA i gather would not have cared about Bill's Maker just like QSA killed another vamp in ATD at the hotel ( her ex/dead husbands # 1 vamp like Andre)...
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rclaurel
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46. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:07 PM EDT
"Malcolm thought he was referring to Eric too. He said "I'm not afraid of Eric" and Bill said "There are higher authorities" and Malcolm said something like (I forget exactly I'll have to watch again) "She can kiss my a**"

As for mainstreaming and the age of the vamp, it's my intuition that if the vamp is in a nest with other "civilized" vamps it's easier to be civilized, in a nest with bloodthirsty killers it's easier to be a bloodthirsty killer, etc and so on. What Bill was saying was that ALL nesters become evil and the inference he was making was that ALL vamps who lived alone are better. I don't believe that and Godric and Isabel prove the lie. He was lying to make himself more palatable to Sookie."
But could that higher Authority mean Nan (AVL)..Bill said to Malcolmn, You are doing nothing to help are cause, and also later with Isabell, Bill talked about ....what if AB has Bill working for the AVL and not the Queen.....that would put a twist on things
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Selle_Castaigneda
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47. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:13 PM EDT
"Oooh, that's an intriguing question. Could it be that he was a particularly creative partier? Having been raised by Lorena, is it possible he had all kinds of wild scenarios up his sleeve?

I remember in that one flashback where he and Lorena had the couple in their house and Lorena killed the man while Bill bit the woman and then they had sex while the woman bled to death. Bill didn't look like anything less than a full-on participant. He reminded me of those kids everyone knows when growing up, the kind that do all kinds of wild things and entertain the pack, and they're the really daring child, the one who does things no one else would do but everyone is sort of entertained by.

I tend to theorize that Bill originally had minimal intention of mainstreaming but having Sookie's blood in him and knowing her has changed him. When he said "you're my miracle, Sookie", did he mean, "with you around me, I can do things I never was able to achieve previously"?

Is it possible he had something like a dichotomy inside him , that he didn't want to do the bad things sometimes, but other times he did, and being humanlike was nothing he could ever achieve for any length of time? Until he met Sookie? "
Just rewatched the scene where Bill and Sookie had the disagreement about him killing Uncle Bartlett. He said, "I refuse to apologize for what you have awakened in me...for the first time in 140 years, I felt something I felt had been lost in me forever...." I believe this was a sincere statement from Bill.
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48. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:23 PM EDT
"But could that higher Authority mean Nan (AVL)..Bill said to Malcolmn, You are doing nothing to help are cause, and also later with Isabell, Bill talked about ....what if AB has Bill working for the AVL and not the Queen.....that would put a twist on things"
then whats the point of the Queen if Bill is working for AVL? QSA mainstreams as much as Bill & Andre always made it sound like since they are out they are trying to please the politicians no matter if they cleaned up their mess..lol !! not yet do i think that Bill is working for the AVL. i think the writer's will keep it QSA & i dont think the writer's will kill her off to early because they need to introduce Quinn.. i think after the edict comes out & the break up QSA will be mentioned like the Magister untill an episode is needed to have her there... if they kill her off to early then Bill needs to be an assest to the NV vamps (unless the writer's are giving him Eric's bond)... then Eric would still need to prove himself a keeper to the NV vamps... & if the writer's write the fact that he is a good sheriff & blah blah so weak & lame really since they have painted him this bad guy...
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Selle_Castaigneda
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49. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:18 PM EDT
"But could that higher Authority mean Nan (AVL)..Bill said to Malcolmn, You are doing nothing to help are cause, and also later with Isabell, Bill talked about ....what if AB has Bill working for the AVL and not the Queen.....that would put a twist on things"
I agree, this would be interesting and I believe it's possible Bill works for Nan, but it also seems like Bill is on a mission for the Queen regarding Sookie, like in the book.

I say this because of these things. If Bill didn't tell the Queen himself, then how did the Queen know that Bill has given Sookie his blood? If the Queen isn't involved here, wouldn't Bill have been careful to keep that information away from the Queen?
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Itsalltoomuch
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50. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:28 PM EDT
"I agree, this would be interesting and I believe it's possible Bill works for Nan, but it also seems like Bill is on a mission for the Queen regarding Sookie, like in the book.

I say this because of these things. If Bill didn't tell the Queen himself, then how did the Queen know that Bill has given Sookie his blood? If the Queen isn't involved here, wouldn't Bill have been careful to keep that information away from the Queen?"
Excatly,

i think that QSA is still a major player for now ( but i suspect that the writer's are going to write a weak break up)..

QSA actually used Bill & Quinn for the same purpose (IMO) because in DD it sounds like she told Quinn to tell Sookie that she request her services because she knew that Eric was asking / trying to get Sookie to be part of his party.....
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Itsalltoomuch
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51. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:35 PM EDT
on the episode Never let me go, Sookie lies to Bill about why she was out the room..lol !! when Bill asked her where has she been? Sookie response was she was asking the Bell Boy where a candy machine was & blah blah...lmfao !! then she resorts to sexual favors to change the subject... lol !!

i'll tell ya Sookie is really something else ( tacky)...Beacuse she gets mad at Bill for lieing & yet twice so far that i caught in s2 she was willing to lie to Bill ( Taking Jessica to her parents house & the 2nd was at the vamp hotel with Bill).. i wonder where the writer's are going with this..lol !! i may find faith in the writer's after all because i found Sookie a tease in the books & maybe AB did too...
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akel
akel
52. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:47 PM EDT
"I agree, this would be interesting and I believe it's possible Bill works for Nan, but it also seems like Bill is on a mission for the Queen regarding Sookie, like in the book.

I say this because of these things. If Bill didn't tell the Queen himself, then how did the Queen know that Bill has given Sookie his blood? If the Queen isn't involved here, wouldn't Bill have been careful to keep that information away from the Queen?"

Yeah, Vampires are suspicious by nature - not much gets past them. I don't believe in coincidences: Bill, an employee or "friend" of the Queen- just so happens to end up in Bon Temp; Sookie's cousin is member of the Queen's Court; The Queen knows that Bill has had her blood; the Queen knows Sookie's not entirely human; Sookie flaunts her telepathy in front of everyone so you know Hadley told the Queen.

And the Queen would want Sookie for her services.

This is the same logic - that vampires are highly perceptive & suspicious as well the fact that the Queen would want Sookie's services - that makes me think Eric knows about the edict - if the clues are there, he's going to pick up on them. Without re-watching the S1 episodes, I'm going to say that Eric probably confirmed the edict after the tribunal. When Eric said "Now that sounds like an edict - but if it were I would know about it"... he's not going to just brush it aside. Those of you re-watching S1 right now look for clues after that episode... I probably won't get to re-watching them until around the holidays..




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Selle_Castaigneda
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53. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:47 PM EDT
"on the episode Never let me go, Sookie lies to Bill about why she was out the room..lol !! when Bill asked her where has she been? Sookie response was she was asking the Bell Boy where a candy machine was & blah blah...lmfao !! then she resorts to sexual favors to change the subject... lol !!

i'll tell ya Sookie is really something else ( tacky)...Beacuse she gets mad at Bill for lieing & yet twice so far that i caught in s2 she was willing to lie to Bill ( Taking Jessica to her parents house & the 2nd was at the vamp hotel with Bill).. i wonder where the writer's are going with this..lol !! i may find faith in the writer's after all because i found Sookie a tease in the books & maybe AB did too..."
Agreed. I thought that was purposeless, at least at the time, as to why they had Sookie lie to Bill like that. Why would she do that?

Even when she told Jessica not to tell Bill they'd driven by her parents' house, I'm like, why, why lie? Why not just tell him what was done and defend if it's so much the right thing to do?

Maybe there's no particular reason for Sookie practicing deception here, maybe it was just done for dramatic effect. Or, was it for some good reason? Don't know, no ideas on this.
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Selle_Castaigneda
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54. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:51 PM EDT
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Yeah, Vampires are suspicious by nature - not much gets past them. I don't believe in coincidences: Bill, an employee or "friend" of the Queen- just so happens to end up in Bon Temp; Sookie's cousin is member of the Queen's Court; The Queen knows that Bill has had her blood; the Queen knows Sookie's not entirely human; Sookie flaunts her telepathy in front of everyone so you know Hadley told the Queen.

And the Queen would want Sookie for her services.

This is the same logic - that vampires are highly perceptive & suspicious as well the fact that the Queen would want Sookie's services - that makes me think Eric knows about the edict - if the clues are there, he's going to pick up on them. Without re-watching the S1 episodes, I'm going to say that Eric probably confirmed the edict after the tribunal. When Eric said "Now that sounds like an edict - but if it were I would know about it"... he's not going to just brush it aside. Those of you re-watching S1 right now look for clues after that episode... I probably won't get to re-watching them until around the holidays..




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I agree, and the Queen uses Sookie's services alot throughout the books until after Rhodes, so removing that from the show negates alot of useful translatable book scenarios, things that would look good on the show.
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akel
akel
55. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:55 PM EDT
"Agreed. I thought that was purposeless, at least at the time, as to why they had Sookie lie to Bill like that. Why would she do that?

Even when she told Jessica not to tell Bill they'd driven by her parents' house, I'm like, why, why lie? Why not just tell him what was done and defend if it's so much the right thing to do?

Maybe there's no particular reason for Sookie practicing deception here, maybe it was just done for dramatic effect. Or, was it for some good reason? Don't know, no ideas on this."

In Never Let Me Go - wasn't she talking to Barry about him being a telepath & he asked her not to tell anyone? Or I am thinking of a different scene?

RE: the Jessica thing - she lied because she knew it was a stupid, indefensible thing to do. JMO

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Selle_Castaigneda
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56. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 5:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 5:55 PM EDT
"Ahhhhh... a fresh thread for some fresh SPOILERS.

Bodi
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I was wondering. Do we want to repost some of our theories on this thread so that we have them accessible?

I would like it if folks would repost their theories on this thread, if they feel like it.
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akel
akel
57. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 6:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 6:00 PM EDT
"I was wondering. Do we want to repost some of our theories on this thread so that we have them accessible?

I would like it if folks would repost their theories on this thread, if they feel like it. "

I was wondering if we should have a page that kind of summarizes the theories and we can edit it as they change or new ones are added and that way they're all in one spot.... or do you think that's too ambitious?

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Itsalltoomuch
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58. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 6:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 6:09 PM EDT
"Agreed. I thought that was purposeless, at least at the time, as to why they had Sookie lie to Bill like that. Why would she do that?

Even when she told Jessica not to tell Bill they'd driven by her parents' house, I'm like, why, why lie? Why not just tell him what was done and defend if it's so much the right thing to do?

Maybe there's no particular reason for Sookie practicing deception here, maybe it was just done for dramatic effect. Or, was it for some good reason? Don't know, no ideas on this."
well of course i think the blood bond she has with Bill is the reason..lol !! but i could be wrong maybe the show is showing how deceptive she is & as well as niave. Sookie is really to immature to be dealing with such creatures ( never ask important questions & Bill never had to earn her trust he just had it because she is that niave)... i ponder what AB is trying to convey because Sookie is not really a likable character she is more pathetic ..

Sookie fussed at Bill about lieing to her & she finds it easy to lie to him .. Go Figure !
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Selle_Castaigneda
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59. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 6:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 6:12 PM EDT
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I was wondering if we should have a page that kind of summarizes the theories and we can edit it as they change or new ones are added and that way they're all in one spot.... or do you think that's too ambitious?

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I think that's a great idea!! Because, heck, we're gonna blow through this thread, too, and before we know it, we'll be firing up Thread #3 and Thread #4 and so on.
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