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Boadicea
Boadicea
OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 12:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 12:15 AM EDT
Ahhhhh... a fresh thread for some fresh SPOILERS.

Bodi
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akel
akel
1. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 12:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 12:34 AM EDT
"When he left L, he would still need humans to feed on, since TB wasn't available. No matter what his intentions were, to feed on a human and forgo the draining and killing would be a huge temptation. He probably eventually gave up and went back to what he knows. The inner battle we'll see in Bill next seaston is a repeat of one that he already fought and lost.

My guess is that the remark about having sex only once with Diane was about as truthful as in ep2 when Bill told Sookie that he only killed in the beginning when he accidentally took too much blood."

Whoa... am I the first on our new thread?

I agree about Bill - he went from Lorena to Malcolm's group who are the epitome of mainstreaming.. LOL. And his statement about "there are vampires such as I who live alone to retain some humanity"... I think we'll find that he was not living alone before Bon Temps and that will be another lie to add to the list...

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sally803
2. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 1:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 1:40 AM EDT
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Whoa... am I the first on our new thread?

I agree about Bill - he went from Lorena to Malcolm's group who are the epitome of mainstreaming.. LOL. And his statement about "there are vampires such as I who live alone to retain some humanity"... I think we'll find that he was not living alone before Bon Temps and that will be another lie to add to the list...

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I think we should start a thread 'a list of Bills faults snd lies'
All the things that keep popping up i think it'll be quickly filled up!

Also i think he got Sookies warning about people going after Diane, liam and Malcom. Funny how he never warned his own kind?! His old room mates.
That was odd. He plays for him self no one else.
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doohansen
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3. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 6:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 6:35 AM EDT
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Whoa... am I the first on our new thread?

I agree about Bill - he went from Lorena to Malcolm's group who are the epitome of mainstreaming.. LOL. And his statement about "there are vampires such as I who live alone to retain some humanity"... I think we'll find that he was not living alone before Bon Temps and that will be another lie to add to the list...

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Caught that one too. Dont think Bill is there "Maistreaming" after doing it for a while...think it is his first attempt at it. He let things go too far.

BTW Itsalltoomuch: Your baby wants IRON therefore the red meat. Are you taking prenatals with Iron? You might want to up the spinach too. I had Gestational Diabetes and had to eat very speific foods in a certain order "Think Akins for 9 mos" It Sucked, I could smell the cake isle all the way over in produce. Only Gained 11 lbs my 1st and 9 with my 2nd so that part was good. Quick deliveries too 3 hrs for baby 1 and 1 1/2 hourse for number 2. I guess I got those two bonuses for not being to eat like a pregnant woman. (Hated Green Olives Before, Love them now) This strange body thing is fun to relive through you/
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msbuffy
msbuffy
4. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 7:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 7:32 AM EDT
"Caught that one too. Dont think Bill is there "Maistreaming" after doing it for a while...think it is his first attempt at it. He let things go too far.

BTW Itsalltoomuch: Your baby wants IRON therefore the red meat. Are you taking prenatals with Iron? You might want to up the spinach too. I had Gestational Diabetes and had to eat very speific foods in a certain order "Think Akins for 9 mos" It Sucked, I could smell the cake isle all the way over in produce. Only Gained 11 lbs my 1st and 9 with my 2nd so that part was good. Quick deliveries too 3 hrs for baby 1 and 1 1/2 hourse for number 2. I guess I got those two bonuses for not being to eat like a pregnant woman. (Hated Green Olives Before, Love them now) This strange body thing is fun to relive through you/ "
Doo - agree about the mainstreaming thing. I don't think Bill had been doing it all that long before going to Bon Temps. He's not very good at it, unless all vamps have such a hard time with it?

Also agree with you about the iron for Itsalltoomuch. Protein too. I was a peanut butter fiend when I was pregnant! My first husband would get up in the middle of the night & make me peanut butter sandwiches & I would eat them & be back to sleep before he even got back to bed!! I was never a big peanut butter fan. I was in labor for 23 hours & 59 minutes. That would never have happened if I was in living in a city - I was living in "Hooterville" at the time - I'm surprised they didn't give a piece of bark to bite on & it was the 80's. You guys get to have all kinds of fun stuff now! Like the ultrasound pictures & videos & all the different options with delivery. It's really exciting! I'm going through all of this now with my niece (I raised her) & getting to see how much things have changed!! It is fun to relive. There's so much cool stuff for babies & moms now. I love those slings & the feeding pillows!!
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msbuffy
msbuffy
5. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 7:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 7:34 AM EDT
Doo - you had me cracking up with your comment about smelling the cake aisle all the way from the produce section!! That's one of the best lines I've ever heard!! You are so funny - you should write comedy!! 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
midnight_charm
midnight_charm
6. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 9:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 9:05 AM EDT
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Whoa... am I the first on our new thread?

I agree about Bill - he went from Lorena to Malcolm's group who are the epitome of mainstreaming.. LOL. And his statement about "there are vampires such as I who live alone to retain some humanity"... I think we'll find that he was not living alone before Bon Temps and that will be another lie to add to the list...

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And I think we'll find he was lying about the difference between vamps in a nest and those who live alone just to reassure Sookie he was 'good'. Godric and Isabel lived together in a nest and they are good. Stan wasn't but that just proves a nest has no particular effect on the basic personality of the vampire. They are themselves whether in a nest or not. Liam, Malcolm, and Diane would have been just as bad had they lived seperately.
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msbuffy
msbuffy
7. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 9:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 9:31 AM EDT
"And I think we'll find he was lying about the difference between vamps in a nest and those who live alone just to reassure Sookie he was 'good'. Godric and Isabel lived together in a nest and they are good. Stan wasn't but that just proves a nest has no particular effect on the basic personality of the vampire. They are themselves whether in a nest or not. Liam, Malcolm, and Diane would have been just as bad had they lived seperately."
I think TB Stan would have been an idiot in or out of a nest. He just wanted to get the blood running & heads rolling - no matter what. I agress, MC. You make a valid point by stating that some vamps would have been just as bad had they lived separately. The only one that I can think of that wasn't cruel & half-demented is Eddie, but look where giving his blood away got him.
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Maria.Liisa
Maria.Liisa
8. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 9:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 9:36 AM EDT
"I think we should start a thread 'a list of Bills faults snd lies'
All the things that keep popping up i think it'll be quickly filled up!

Also i think he got Sookies warning about people going after Diane, liam and Malcom. Funny how he never warned his own kind?! His old room mates.
That was odd. He plays for him self no one else."
actually i think he plays just for himself and for the queen... lol
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midnight_charm
midnight_charm
9. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 9:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 9:44 AM EDT
"I think TB Stan would have been an idiot in or out of a nest. He just wanted to get the blood running & heads rolling - no matter what. I agress, MC. You make a valid point by stating that some vamps would have been just as bad had they lived separately. The only one that I can think of that wasn't cruel & half-demented is Eddie, but look where giving his blood away got him. "
Comparing s1 eps against what we know from s2, I have found a lie or inconsistency from Bill in each one so far.

I keep thinking of how mean and angry he looked when Sookie broke up with him after the incident with the nesters. He went straight to the nest and warned them to stay away from him and Sookie, or he would consult a "higher authority". Since when would a queen care if three vampires got near some random human?
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akel
akel
10. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:16 AM EDT
"Comparing s1 eps against what we know from s2, I have found a lie or inconsistency from Bill in each one so far.

I keep thinking of how mean and angry he looked when Sookie broke up with him after the incident with the nesters. He went straight to the nest and warned them to stay away from him and Sookie, or he would consult a "higher authority". Since when would a queen care if three vampires got near some random human?"

I had to stop watching the episode last night due to hubby. But, for some reason I was thinking in that part he was referring to Eric (the Sheriff) and the fact that Malcolm's group was carelessly killing humans (Jerry & that fangbanger)... but since you just watched it I guess your recollection is better than mine.

RE: Bill lying about the difference between nesters & loners - I don't know. I think as you point out it depends on the vamp - especially the leader of the nest (what do you call that person?). But I think for someone relatively young like Bill, it's easier to mainstream if you're living alone, relatively secluded from other vamps & primarily interacting with humans. As you point out, Godric's nest looked pretty civilized (although Stan looked like he was about to blow at any minute).

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scud133
11. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:10 AM EDT
"Comparing s1 eps against what we know from s2, I have found a lie or inconsistency from Bill in each one so far.

I keep thinking of how mean and angry he looked when Sookie broke up with him after the incident with the nesters. He went straight to the nest and warned them to stay away from him and Sookie, or he would consult a "higher authority". Since when would a queen care if three vampires got near some random human?"
i actually just rewatched that episode yesterday...

Bill told them to stay away from him and Sookie, and they were all basically like "yeah, or what?" and he said there's a higher authority.

Then they go, "oh well he's not going to do anything" (meaning Eric) and Bill says, "no, even higher" (meaning the Queen). And once again they're like "well she doesn't care" or something like that. But all 3 of them look visibly distraught by Bill mentioning the Queen.

I think all that's referring to is that Sookie was "his" human and they have a sort of code or understanding that if a vamp claims a human, the others are supposed to live him/her alone. So I guess Bill is basically reminding them that they'll be in serious trouble if they violate that code.
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midnight_charm
midnight_charm
12. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:17 AM EDT
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I had to stop watching the episode last night due to hubby. But, for some reason I was thinking in that part he was referring to Eric (the Sheriff) and the fat that Malcolm's group was carelessly killing humans (Jerry & that fangbanger)... but since you just watched it I guess your recollection is better than mine.

RE: Bill lying about the difference between nesters & loners - I don't know. I think as you point out it depends on the vamp - especially the leader of the nest (what do you call that person?). But I think for someone relatively young like Bill, it's easier to mainstream if you're living alone, relatively secluded from other vamps & primarily interacting with humans. As you point out, Godric's nest looked pretty civilized (although Stan looked like he was about to blow at any minute).

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Malcolm thought he was referring to Eric too. He said "I'm not afraid of Eric" and Bill said "There are higher authorities" and Malcolm said something like (I forget exactly I'll have to watch again) "She can kiss my a**"

As for mainstreaming and the age of the vamp, it's my intuition that if the vamp is in a nest with other "civilized" vamps it's easier to be civilized, in a nest with bloodthirsty killers it's easier to be a bloodthirsty killer, etc and so on. What Bill was saying was that ALL nesters become evil and the inference he was making was that ALL vamps who lived alone are better. I don't believe that and Godric and Isabel prove the lie. He was lying to make himself more palatable to Sookie.
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akel
akel
13. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:20 AM EDT
"Malcolm thought he was referring to Eric too. He said "I'm not afraid of Eric" and Bill said "There are higher authorities" and Malcolm said something like (I forget exactly I'll have to watch again) "She can kiss my a**"

As for mainstreaming and the age of the vamp, it's my intuition that if the vamp is in a nest with other "civilized" vamps it's easier to be civilized, in a nest with bloodthirsty killers it's easier to be a bloodthirsty killer, etc and so on. What Bill was saying was that ALL nesters become evil and the inference he was making was that ALL vamps who lived alone are better. I don't believe that. He was lying to make himself more palatable to Sookie."

Yes, I agree re: the nesting.

I wish I would have finished that ep. last night! Remember when Bill went before the magistrate and there was a vamp being punished for feeding on someone else's human (and his fangs were pulled out - by the root)... I guess vamps take the whole "mine" thing very seriously. I suppose it goes back to times when finding a meal could be difficult...


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midnight_charm
midnight_charm
14. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:22 AM EDT
"i actually just rewatched that episode yesterday...

Bill told them to stay away from him and Sookie, and they were all basically like "yeah, or what?" and he said there's a higher authority.

Then they go, "oh well he's not going to do anything" (meaning Eric) and Bill says, "no, even higher" (meaning the Queen). And once again they're like "well she doesn't care" or something like that. But all 3 of them look visibly distraught by Bill mentioning the Queen.

I think all that's referring to is that Sookie was "his" human and they have a sort of code or understanding that if a vamp claims a human, the others are supposed to live him/her alone. So I guess Bill is basically reminding them that they'll be in serious trouble if they violate that code."
There has been nothing so far showing a vamp has to "stay away" from a human just because her vamp tells them to. A vamp can't feed on a human without permission from her vamp as we saw in the scene at Bill's house, but how could a young vamp like Bill tell his elder Malcolm he can't even come around Sookie? He can't tell his elder where he can and cannot go. Unless he has the backing of a 'higher authority' which is exactly the card he pulled.
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midnight_charm
midnight_charm
15. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:31 AM EDT
Hey guys, Alexander told his fansite that he starts filming True Blood on November 18, weeks earlier than previously reported! I hope this means s3 will start a little early.

http://www.alexskarsgard.net/wordpress/?p=4046
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akel
akel
16. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:31 AM EDT
"There has been nothing so far showing a vamp has to "stay away" from a human just because her vamp tells them to. A vamp can't feed on a human without permission from her vamp as we saw in the scene at Bill's house, but how could a young vamp like Bill tell his elder Malcolm he can't even come around Sookie? He can't tell his elder where he can and cannot go. Unless he has the backing of a 'higher authority' which is exactly the card he pulled."

On one hand, I understand what you're saying: what would Bill do, go to the Queen or the Sheriff and say "Malcolm's talking to my human?'.... but on the other hand, what would Malcolm's intention really be by "going around" Sookie... of course to eventually feed on her. I don't think these subtleties have been addressed - exactly at what point do you have a case against another vamp?

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Rygee
Rygee
17. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:37 AM EDT
"

As you point out, Godric's nest looked pretty civilized (although Stan looked like he was about to blow at any minute).

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Yeah, all that white upholstery and not a plastic slipcover in sight!

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akel
akel
18. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:40 AM EDT
"Yeah, all that white upholstery and not a plastic slipcover in sight!

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LOL - as a Mom (who can't remember life before kids) I always wonder "who on earth buys white furniture?"


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midnight_charm
midnight_charm
19. RE: OFFICIAL THREAD: Season 3 - Speculation, Theories, SPOILERS (pt 2)
Oct 25 2009, 10:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 10:41 AM EDT
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On one hand, I understand what you're saying: what would Bill do, go to the Queen or the Sheriff and say "Malcolm's talking to my human?'.... but on the other hand, what would Malcolm's intention really be by "going around" Sookie... of course to eventually feed on her. I don't think these subtleties have been addressed - exactly at what point do you have a case against another vamp?

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They stopped their attempt to feed on Sookie the second Bill said she was his. As you said above, feeding on a human without permission from her vamp could get them into serious trouble with the Magister so I doubt they would ever risk doing such a thing.

The Magister would laugh a Bill out of court if he came before him and said 'the nesters keep coming near my human'. He would say "hellO, HUman". I can't imagine there's a law against it.

Bill's intention was to keep them away from Sookie so HE didn't look bad to Sookie by associating with them. And he used the threat of the queen to accomplish this, even though any other ordinary, young vamp off the street couldn't hope to pull that kind of trump.
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