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hdgcat |
40. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 12:24 AM EDT
"there are actually ways sookie could end up with kids if she ends up with a vamp...There's another obvious choice besides rape for Sookie. If she really wants to have children and understands that her vamp husband will be a part time parent and is ready for that...then she could easily do what lots of other women do and go to a sperm bank. No matter who she ends up with...can you really see either EorB denying her that? Even if it makes them feel a little icky , I think they could handle it,if it was the difference between having Sookie or not. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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41. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 12:28 AM EDT
"Living an extraordinary life huh? People trying to murder you every day ,being terrified all the time,watching people you care about die ,being tortured to the point you have mental and physical problems. For someone who likes hanging out in a bikini and is as vain as she is,having scars all over her body is going to matter. She's like those girls who date drug dealers ,cuz its exciting ,glamourous...til someone gets shot.I wouldnt want to check her mail either.... I really dont see Sookie ever seeing Sam as more than a friend....if she did it, she would just be settling for someone and not really in love 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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hdgcat |
42. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 12:32 AM EDT
"Ya know, and who is to say she doesn't make the choice to be with Eric and raise Hunter with him? I have a sneaking suspicion that Remy was really freaking out when he called her and might not be able to handle it. I didn't like how she answsered him, but she does feel responsible for Hunter. "I think if Sookie somehow ended up with Hunter it would be the driving force for completely breaking off all ties to the vampires. Sookie tends to be stupid with her own life ,but in the matter of a child ,,,,comepletely different story. She knows the vamps would figure out about Hunter ,not to mention they'd use him against her just for the heck of it. Sookie mostly reacts and tries to be a godo person,but if the vamps tried to threaten Hunter,I'd see her calling in every marker she's ever had and putting out death contracts on vampires. Hunter would end up being majorly targeted ,Eric wouldn't be able to protect him at all and probably wouldn't want to ,he'd try to "trade" him or barter him for somethint else. Having an extra telepath to sell to another vamp would just be too tempting. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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43. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 12:38 AM EDT
"But just because that is possible does not mean that it is the case with Eric and Sookie. And this bond seems to tie them both to each other. I don't think that he expected to be this closely bound to Sookie. I also think that he is going to pay a pretty big price for it.Stace,I agree with you that Sook is using the blood bond as an excuse to not examine her feelings more closely. With Bill she didn't have this excuse and she that she was happy she knew that her feelings for him were real,but there always seemed to be a certain amount of "holding back" with her. Bill just stuck his neck out and told her how he felt ,after he went and murdered someone . The scene with Victor was a little off putting cuz Sook kept saying how she was fighting acting like a grinning idiot from standing in Eric's presence . This is not the feelings of someone in love . When you're in love you're still able to disregard ,ignore those feelings when you're in the middle ofa potentially scary scenario,but Sook said when she was getting on him about having Gall etc that she was fighting smiling at him etc . This sounded abnormal. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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44. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 8:44 AM EDT
I don't think Sookie will ever be able to disentangle herself from the vampires. They know too much about her and will always be after her for her telepathy. I felt sorry for Remy, but Sookie didn't dare go to him then. Can you imagine the evil fairies getting hold of a child? I do wonder, though, if she might end up with Hunter.
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RedMercury |
45. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 1:56 PM EDT
"i would find it really coward from Charlaine if she makes Sookie end with Sam...it would be like if she is not brave enough to have a choice. kids?? sookie is living an extraordinary life... c'mon why all women should end with kids, husband, cleaning the kitxhen and making cakes?? umhhh"Because despite teachers and parents telling us we can be anything and do anything in life most of us end up as just plain human beings finding mates making ends meet and spawning new humans. Even people with extraordinary gifts are told the same stories and watch the same romantic comedies as the rest of us. You don't SEEK things to covet - you covet what you see every day. Sookie doesn't STRIVE for a "great" or adventurous life. Her day dreams are of sweet nothings and the mundane things ordinary folk take for granted. The question is what fate will give Vs what she strives. And it isn't an is of weather women "should" end up with kids, but what is organic for the character to develop into. I don't think Sookie will ever have her own kids. And i don't think that is a CHOICE for her now - the Fairies like to bite and tare all the "Soft Bits" remember. Vampire blood may have healed the tissue, but reproductive organs are temprimental fickle things, and after what she has been through - I wouldn't be surprised if she has been rendered infertile. For all the fantasy of the books, Charlaine's characters are pragmatically developed - not confabulations of idealism. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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46. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 1:58 PM EDT
"there are actually ways sookie could end up with kids if she ends up with a vamp...OR something could happen to Remy and Sookie could end up with Hunter. Do you find this valuable? |
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RedMercury |
47. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 2:16 PM EDT
Odd thought about the Eric Sookie thing.When Sookie and Eric are talking in bed, Eric mentions that he has not fed a woman his blood in a long while - probably not since Pam. (we assume he has made male children since then) But we could take from this that there is a distinction in that. Perhaps the bond of a Male/ Male is more brothers in arms like, and the bond of a Male/ Female is more confusing and therefore troubling, and therefore nothing to take lightly or do thoughtlessly, or for flippant or vein reasons. I think it has been assumed that Eric asked Sookie to suck the bullet out in book 2 as a way to trick Sookie into drinking his blood - as a way to stick it to Bill ipso facto. BUT - if giving a women you blood is SUCH a serious thing (as to not have done it in over a century) this reasoning seems pretty dismissive and glib. If he would do it just to step on a subservient vamps toes - then you think Eric would have given PLENTY of women his blood in the time since he made Pam. AND - remember, Eric had designs on Sookie almost as soon as he SAW HER, before the knew how "Useful" she was. In book one when Bill first takes Sookie to Fangtasia, Bill goes to get a drink, and Sookie FEELS Eric trying to put the whamma on her from a far - to get her to look at him. She tells Bill this - and Bill is pertubed as that means Eric is "breaking the rules even by trying". I think if Sookie has a moment to think about all this - and connects the dots - then she can stop doubting that Eric's feelings are not some grand manipulation ( like Bills were in her mind), and she can maybe get over the Bill thing and Let her self feel for Eric by merit alone. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Stace34 |
48. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 2:22 PM EDT
"The scene with Victor was a little off putting cuz Sook kept saying how she was fighting acting like a grinning idiot from standing in Eric's presence . This is not the feelings of someone in love . When you're in love you're still able to disregard ,ignore those feelings when you're in the middle ofa potentially scary scenario,but Sook said when she was getting on him about having Gall etc that she was fighting smiling at him etc . This sounded abnormal."Sookie has been fighting that happy content feeling she gets around Eric since the first bond first started. She knows that and that is why she wants to be sure that and take thing slow with Eric. I am fine with that, but she had feelings for Eric long before the bond. I would like her to acknowledge that. But your right she does have a tendency to hold back. She seemed to hold something back with Bill and with Quinn. Do you find this valuable? |
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dicat |
49. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 8:33 PM EDT
"Red I agree with alot of your predictions the one I dont agree with is her ending up with sam, probably because I want her to end up with eric or bill...anyway thats my 2 cents"I don't think Sookie will end up with Sam either. I think he is too close to being "family" than a lover...ya know, like kissing your brother! Red has great points...really, I agree with a lot of them. No one mentioned if they thought that Bill might tell the idoit Bellfulers (bad spelling) that HE is their long lost family member that has been providing them CASH! I would really like to see him put that in their faces (or have Sookie do it...even better). CH...if you are listening, poor Bill deserves that credit. Espically if he is on death's door. Do you find this valuable? |
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50. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 8:39 PM EDT
"I don't want to see either Eric or Bill die. Bill I think is going to pull through, Eric just may end up killing the king."If Eric kills the new king...will he pay? And how?? Would he take over? If he does, I guess it wouldn't look too good to have a HUMAN wife. Just some thoughts.... Okay, if you go out to Fan Fiction world...this all does happen in various stories. P.S. I don't want either of them to die...I totally agree. Do you find this valuable? |
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hdgcat |
51. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 8:56 PM EDT
"I wouldnt want to check her mail either....Sookie has made out with Sam a couple times and each time comments on how her and Sam have this "thing" between them that flares up . If Bill hadn't interrupted in book5 ,they might have ended up back in Sam's trailer doing lots of things. So they have romantic feelings for each other ,but their work relationshiop makes it complicated cuz Sook doesn't want anything to jeoparize her job since she loves working for him and Sam is not the kind of guy to sleep with his waitresses just cuz he wants to. If you look at what Sook says repeatedly that she wants and especially the big one" He Puts Me First" ,Sam is the only one who has done that consistently thru every book. Every single book there is a Sam scene where he shows up to help ,not because he has to ,,feelings obligated,or wants something from her...cuz he cares about her. No one else has done that consistently. And marrying your best friend is NOT settling. I beg to differ on that. When you compare it to marrying a vampire who may or may not love you,but keeps you in the dark about things affecting your life and manipulates you based on what he thinks not what you want ....well.... I don't see this as settling. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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hdgcat |
52. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 9:00 PM EDT
"Because despite teachers and parents telling us we can be anything and do anything in life most of us end up as just plain human beings finding mates making ends meet and spawning new humans.RedMercury,excellent points hon! your line about coveting what we see every day,wasn't that a line in Silence of the Lambs? For Sookie the "boring" life is exotic and faraway. She's never had it . It's like a line she said that she desires to be less supernatural while her brother will always want to be more so. I was concerned about the amount of physical damage Sookie sustained. It sounded horrific and CH didn't go into a lot of gory detail cuz I think she writes her books for a certain age group : like a rated T fanfic. If it turns out she can't have children that may change her focus on what she wants..or it may not 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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53. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 9:08 PM EDT
"en Sookie and Eric are talking in bed, Eric mentions that he has not fed a woman his blood in a long while - probably not since Pam.I figured he gave her his blood as a means of reading her emotions so he could lure her away from Bill. It never seemed about Bill at all. This gives him an advantage when dealing with her ,kinda of how Sook has her telepathy as an advantage when dealing with humans. I thought it was strange that Eric couldn't remember when he last gave a woman his blood. While I assume Eric has made other children since Pam,probably male as you said (which is why I've theorized that Clancy was his child) ,he doesn't make children out of every human he gives blood to. He told Sook he'd had utter control over some women ,from giving them blood ,having blood bonds etc ..not turning them. I always figured he gave her his blood the first time as a first step in getting her to yield to him and if he found her agreeable ,he would take it further later. Do you find this valuable? |
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54. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 9:17 PM EDT
"Sookie has been fighting that happy content feeling she gets around Eric since the first bond first started. She knows that and that is why she wants to be sure that and take thing slow with Eric. I am fine with that, but she had feelings for Eric long before the bond. I would like her to acknowledge that. But your right she does have a tendency to hold back. She seemed to hold something back with Bill and with Quinn."I'm rereading book7 and let me tell you,DAG makes you see ATD in a different light. So many threads from DAG were started in ATD. The bond is a big one,Sook notices the difference almost immediately. After something bad ,Eric is standing next to her and she notices that she "can't" feel upset even though she should. This jives with her bed conversation with Eric where she was feeling strange and thought she "should" be upset about what happend in front of her house(remember she didn't know if Quinn was alive or if Bill or Eric may have killed him) but she couldn't feel it . So she knows her feelings are being affected by the bond with Eric. This would totally freak me out ,especially cuz it would make me feel like someone who is being drugged every day to keep me quiet or something. She's right to be suspicious. She's seen enough of vampires to know how they are. If it wasn't for the "babe' thing I might be TeamQuinn ,cuz he's done alot for Sookie,how many men would fight for you on a first date? And stand up to Eric? Not hold it against you when he gets kidnapped with you? Takes an arrow for you? Kills a very powerful vampire for you? Drives back into Area5 knowing he could get in major trouble just to try and warn you cuz he's afraid for you? My opinion of Quinn has gone up considerably. His sister is right. He's a GREAT guy. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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55. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 9:38 PM EDT
Stumbled on to this thread. hd and Red, wow, you have given me much to think about. I have read DAG twice now, so very troubled by it. Thanks girls for your wonderful insight. hd, for some reason I always saw Quinn as someone that Sookie should've been with... I did not even care about the 'babe' thing because besides Sam (and yes, he slept with the Maenad, etc I remember), Quinn seemed to be one to truly do (wonderful and dangerous) things for Sookie. For all the right reasons. And this is coming from a vampwich kinda girl. I sort of wanted something solid and good for Sookie.Again, thanks. Have much to ponder and will most likely lurk and see what else you all have to speculate on. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Stace34 |
56. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 10:18 PM EDT
"I'm rereading book7 and let me tell you,DAG makes you see ATD in a different light. So many threads from DAG were started in ATD. The bond is a big one,Sook notices the difference almost immediately. After something bad ,Eric is standing next to her and she notices that she "can't" feel upset even though she should. This jives with her bed conversation with Eric where she was feeling strange and thought she "should" be upset about what happend in front of her house(remember she didn't know if Quinn was alive or if Bill or Eric may have killed him) but she couldn't feel it . So she knows her feelings are being affected by the bond with Eric. This would totally freak me out ,especially cuz it would make me feel like someone who is being drugged every day to keep me quiet or something. She's right to be suspicious. She's seen enough of vampires to know how they are. "I understand the apprehension. I just don't think that it is Eric affecting her. What I mean by that is I just don't think that Eric is trying to influence her feelings. I don't think that he has control over her feeling content around him. That is just part of the blood bond. Also, because this is first person we don't know what affect this bond has on Eric. When he knows she is near does he feel happy? Does he have to fight to keep control over what he is feeling the way that she does? We shouldn't just assume that she is only one affected and confused by the bond. I understand the "babe" thing completely. Nails on a chalk board for me. He is a nice guy. If I have to choose if it is not a vampire it should be Sam. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RedMercury |
57. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 11:05 PM EDT
"RedMercury,excellent points hon! your line about coveting what we see every day,wasn't that a line in Silence of the Lambs?Just because Hanibal Lectur said it doesn't mean it isn't true Do you find this valuable? |
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RedMercury |
58. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 11:09 PM EDT
"I'm rereading book7 and let me tell you,DAG makes you see ATD in a different light. So many threads from DAG were started in ATD. The bond is a big one,Sook notices the difference almost immediately. After something bad ,Eric is standing next to her and she notices that she "can't" feel upset even though she should. This jives with her bed conversation with Eric where she was feeling strange and thought she "should" be upset about what happend in front of her house(remember she didn't know if Quinn was alive or if Bill or Eric may have killed him) but she couldn't feel it . So she knows her feelings are being affected by the bond with Eric. This would totally freak me out ,especially cuz it would make me feel like someone who is being drugged every day to keep me quiet or something. She's right to be suspicious. She's seen enough of vampires to know how they are.How much is that being a "great guy" - and how much of that is being a bad @$$ Were Tiger? How much of what drives him is Human Emotion - and how much is animal instinct to fight and defend a claim on a possible mate? (and I should note - that cause I'm reading the Mercy Thompson novels it has me questioning the motivations of all the 2 natured characters more) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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59. RE: BOOK 10 Speculation, and theory
May 10 2009, 11:14 PM EDT
"Odd thought about the Eric Sookie thing.Red-M, I noticed this theme, too, from the first book. During the 1st Fangtasia visit Sookie makes a very flirty Smart a$$ response to Eric's remark about having an incredible taste of a psychic once. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |