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40. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 3 2009, 10:06 PM EDT
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Stace34 |
41. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 3 2009, 11:52 PM EDT
"yes he lies but is up front with it. and that makes it better, now I have it."I give you that Eric manipulates her. Can you name me some of the big lies, the life changing lies that Eric has told her? I am talking about provable lies, not speculation about things he may or may not have lies about. For example Bill lied about why he came to Bon Temps. He lied about why he started seeing Sookie. He lied about where he was going when he went to Mississippi. He lied about who he was going to see. These are all lies that can be proven without a doubt and completely changes Sookie's life. Eric lied about needing her to suck the bullet out. This may have had a change in her life. Give me other examples of this. provable lies that have altered her life forever. He has also lied about sending people to protect her. Though I have to concede that Charles Twining was a bad choice. It did alter her life a bit, she now knows how much the people in her town care for her and how far they are willing to go to protect her. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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42. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 3 2009, 11:58 PM EDT
"I give you that Eric manipulates her. Can you name me some of the big lies, the life changing lies that Eric has told her? I am talking about provable lies, not speculation about things he may or may not have lies about.One other thought there is a saying that goes something like Better the Devil you know than the one you don't. Eric has always been up front about lies and manipulation. That means that Sookie is always skeptical of everything that he says or does. She is always looking for his angle or ulterior motive, which makes it more difficult for him to get away with things. Bill on the other hand played her white knight. He lied and manipulated her from day one all while playing the noble good guy. There is a whole level of betrayal that comes with that that Eric has never even come close to. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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43. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 12:13 AM EDT
"One other thought there is a saying that goes something like Better the Devil you know than the one you don't. Eric has always been up front about lies and manipulation. That means that Sookie is always skeptical of everything that he says or does. She is always looking for his angle or ulterior motive, which makes it more difficult for him to get away with things.Ok...what happens if CH turns this all around and Sookie takes Bill back. Since the only thing that is left, is the Queen stuff...He should have told her, but for reason nobody knows but CH. Maybe she will fully explain how that all went down. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Stace34 |
44. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 1:56 AM EDT
"Ok...what happens if CH turns this all around and Sookie takes Bill back. Since the only thing that is left, is the Queen stuff...He should have told her, but for reason nobody knows but CH. Maybe she will fully explain how that all went down."True we don't know where CH will take the story or if Sookie will forgive Bill for the things that he has done. There are a lot of possibilites. At the same time you can not condemn Eric for being manipulative and hold him responsible for his action, but not hold Bill to that same standard. So many times I read about Eric being a bad guy or a bad match because he is manipulative, yet Bill is to be totally forgiven for his actions. No matter what the reasons behind Bill's lies and manipulations the fact remains that he did that, and he did that while trying to portray himself as the good noble guy. I am willing to take ride along with wherever CH chooses to take us. What I am not willing to do is put blinders on for any of the characters flaws, including Eric. It are those flaws that make them more interesting and it is the good and the bad about each character that make me care for them. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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45. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 4:59 AM EDT
There is not one reason that is still true in the show. Why don't people stop discussing the books here. There is a website for that. Eric in the show has not bought Sookie anything. in fact he hasn't looked at her. She is afraid of him. They look like the pasty twins together. He has not lost his memory. He probably never will. He didn't protect her from Longshadow or her uncle. Bill did. If someone has a reason the Eric in the show should be with Sookie, then lets hear it.
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Ericcanbiteme |
46. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 10:50 AM EDT
The books and the show may be seperate entities, but people cant compartmentalize when it comes to each because if they have read the books, its going to influence how they see the show. You cant ignore something like that. But if you want to just discuss the show, perhaps you should go to the spoiler free zone for those who havent read the books and start a discussion there.I just thought Id add my two reasons from the should not be together thread. While Im in there. Because it supports Sookie and Eric. One, Eric is okay with being a vampire. Infact he embraces it, and he embraces Sookie for who she is. Even on the show, Eric is proud to be one. Bill is not. I think Bill is ashamed to be a vampire. In a healthy relationship, everyone has to be okay with who they are or it wont work. So I want to see them get a chance to explore Eric and Sookie on the show due to this very concept. Even if its just to compare the two vampires with her. Its clear they have changed some things about Eric on the show, but I still think he has a potential to be significant in Sookies life, and he hasnt yet lied to her. Which I dont beleive holds the same truth for Bill. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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47. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 11:02 AM EDT
"The books and the show may be seperate entities, but people cant compartmentalize when it comes to each because if they have read the books, its going to influence how they see the show. You cant ignore something like that. But if you want to just discuss the show, perhaps you should go to the spoiler free zone for those who havent read the books and start a discussion there.Bill on the show may seem to dislike being a vampire, but at this point, we don't know how much of that is an act. Bill in the books never seems that way. In fact, book Bill really likes being a vampire. I personally believe he mainstreams only because of his assignment with Sookie. He even says later that before he met her, he was disgusted at the thought of being with a human. If it turns out that CH puts Bill and Sookie back together, I hope she actually writes it with sensitivity and, writes it smartly. Bill screwed up big and she needs to create a really, really plausible reason for Sookie to forgive him, IMHO. If a guy lied to me like that, I don't know that I could ever forgive him. Could you? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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48. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 11:25 AM EDT
"Bill on the show may seem to dislike being a vampire, but at this point, we don't know how much of that is an act. Bill in the books never seems that way. In fact, book Bill really likes being a vampire. I personally believe he mainstreams only because of his assignment with Sookie. He even says later that before he met her, he was disgusted at the thought of being with a human.I actually had the same thought. That Bill started mainstreaming because of his assignment with Sookie. I posted in another thread how it seems like alot of that could be an act, especially on the show when we see his vampire friends and his struggles to join them versus staying with Sookie. And no I couldnt forgive Bill if I were Sookie. Its one thing to lie and make something up to get the girl, but he wasnt doing this for Sookie, he was doing it for the Queen, and continued to show his allegiance to her. Bill realized that he lost Sookie and I beleive that is a big part of why he continues to profess his love and his willingness to die for her. It may be true, but I hope Sookie doesnt fall for it again. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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49. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 11:35 AM EDT
"There is not one reason that is still true in the show. Why don't people stop discussing the books here. There is a website for that. Eric in the show has not bought Sookie anything. in fact he hasn't looked at her. She is afraid of him. They look like the pasty twins together. He has not lost his memory. He probably never will. He didn't protect her from Longshadow or her uncle. Bill did. If someone has a reason the Eric in the show should be with Sookie, then lets hear it. "There has been a lot of foreshadowing to assume that at least some of this will be in the show. For example when Bill tells Malcolm that he has to leave Sookie alone we get our first hint that Bill is working for the Queen. Then of course there are his comments that it sounds like and edict, but if there was an edict he would know about it. No matter how the truth of that comes out, it is going to devastate Sookie. Because of some of the foreshadowing that has taken place I don't think that it is wrong for us to bring up these events as part of our argument. I personally like Eric in the series more than I like Bill. When there is a scene and both Bill and Eric are in it I forget about Bill and am completely focused on Eric. Even with the very limited amount of time he has had on the screen I am interested in finding out more about him. Yes there was the change with Longshadow, but that does not mean that the core of Sookie and Eric's relationship will change. We did get to see a bit of Eric's humor and I think that that will appeal to Sookie once she gets to know him better. Also I am not going to assume anything about you and if you are a Bill fan or Eric fan, but it seems to be a common arguement that a reason that Eric and Sookie should not be together is that she is afraid of him. I have never gotten that, even in the series. She has a health fear of him as she should any vampire including Bill. But I have never felt that she is afraid of him. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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50. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 12:04 PM EDT
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"Bill on the show may seem to dislike being a vampire, but at this point, we don't know how much of that is an act. Bill in the books never seems that way. In fact, book Bill really likes being a vampire. I personally believe he mainstreams only because of his assignment with Sookie. He even says later that before he met her, he was disgusted at the thought of being with a human.IMHO, the reason for putting them back together need be no more plausible than the one she used to split them in the first place. I'm sure you know how many readers stopped at Book 4 just because of the extremely odd way Bill was shoved out of the limelight. I am one of them. The revelation of the assignment from the Queen never had to be a show-stopper for the Bill-Sookie relationship. This "device" (I think) put a lot of would-be readers off the next 4 books. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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51. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 12:47 PM EDT
"IMHO, the reason for putting them back together need be no more plausible than the one she used to split them in the first place. I'm sure you know how many readers stopped at Book 4 just because of the extremely odd way Bill was shoved out of the limelight. I am one of them. The revelation of the assignment from the Queen never had to be a show-stopper for the Bill-Sookie relationship. This "device" (I think) put a lot of would-be readers off the next 4 books. "Really. You find out that your first love was lying to you from the moment he met you and it is not going to change your relationship forever. You would just laugh and say oh well. Really? I personally don't know if Sookie will forgive Bill or not, but lets be realistic there would be a time when you would have been might pissed at him. There would have been a time when you did not want to even acknowledge the man existed. There would have been a time where you questioned every thing that he ever did, said, or felt. Sookie had to go through that in order for it to be realistic at all that she could ever get past it. Finally, in this last book we have seen that some of that hurt and feelings of betrayal have softened. She has started to forgive him somewhat. But for Bill fans not to acknowledge that she needed to go though all of that in order to move on with some type of relationship (friendship or otherwise) is just insane to me. If in that book or the next book she would have just forgiven him it would have been so unrealistic and laughable that it would have turned off a lot more readers. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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52. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 1:46 PM EDT
"IMHO, the reason for putting them back together need be no more plausible than the one she used to split them in the first place. I'm sure you know how many readers stopped at Book 4 just because of the extremely odd way Bill was shoved out of the limelight. I am one of them. The revelation of the assignment from the Queen never had to be a show-stopper for the Bill-Sookie relationship. This "device" (I think) put a lot of would-be readers off the next 4 books. "It was odd that she broke up with Bill after he left her for Lorena, lied to her and made plans to pension her off? Wow! I must be a real bitch then 'cause personally, I might have staked the guy myself. We don't find out about the queen until book 5 (or was it 6?) so that wasn't why he was shoved out of the limelight. I understand that people love Bill. Hell, I still do have a soft spot for him, but he screwed up. I always like to put it in this perspective; if your best friend came to you and told you her boyfriend did all the things Bill did (not even including the queen) . . . would you counsel her to get back together with the guy? Now, to the point of the thread; why Eric and Sookie should be together . . . because they "get" each other. He understands how to help her and take care of her without making her feel kept. They have fantastic chemistry. They have great sex. They "share a zest for life." There are so many reasons . . . I can't wait to see what happens in the next book. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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53. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 4 2009, 2:34 PM EDT
"Bill on the show may seem to dislike being a vampire, but at this point, we don't know how much of that is an act. Bill in the books never seems that way. In fact, book Bill really likes being a vampire. I personally believe he mainstreams only because of his assignment with Sookie. He even says later that before he met her, he was disgusted at the thought of being with a human.Agreed...I don't know if I could ever get past such a serious breach of trust. And, it is unfair to say that Eric and Sookie should never be together based on the TV show alone. At this point, we are only at the end of Book One, and face it, she was scared of him at this point. Eric hasn't had much of a presence in Book One or Season One. We are talking in the long run here. Let the show play out and see how it will mesh with the books. And yes, if you want to talk books alone, then there are threads for that. I personally am looking at the books and TV to make my opinion, which right now is highly influenced by fan fiction anyway, with strong suggestion from the books. Do you find this valuable? |
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54. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 6 2009, 12:40 PM EDT
"Because he's SMOKIN HOT!!! They belong together!!"I think this is the best reason of all!!! Well that and the fact that there's always more passion between Sookie and Eric than anything I've seen with Bill. You just know if Alan Ball decides to take on these two, like in the books, we're really going to have one awesome series. Can't WAIT!! Do you find this valuable? |
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55. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 6 2009, 1:05 PM EDT
"IMHO, the reason for putting them back together need be no more plausible than the one she used to split them in the first place. I'm sure you know how many readers stopped at Book 4 just because of the extremely odd way Bill was shoved out of the limelight. I am one of them. The revelation of the assignment from the Queen never had to be a show-stopper for the Bill-Sookie relationship. This "device" (I think) put a lot of would-be readers off the next 4 books. "I honestly don't understand your reasoning in terms of being turned off of the books and deciding not to continue reading because there was a shift in the storyline. Even if I really liked Bill & Sookie together and it didn't work out I'd still read the books because they're enthralling. CH has created a very rich and wonderful world, she's telling a great story and I want to know how it ends. I'm not going to assume anything and I'm not going turn my back on the books because it's just not my story to tell. I'll just trust and appreciate where the author is trying to take me and play along. IMHO you're really missing out on a lot if you stop at Book 4. Do you find this valuable? |
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56. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 6 2009, 4:52 PM EDT
"Because they both bring out the best in eachother. Sookie makes Eric try harder to be the best version of himself. She allows him to see the good in humans, and she has even allowed him to see into her and realize his own feelings for her. I beleive she is his acquilles heal infact. And Eric brings out the good in Sookie by embracing her special telepathic abilities, and protecting her from harm. Exposing her to other races and supernatural beings in an ambassador like capacity, despite his own prejudices, Sookie has really met alot of people and supes because of Eric, which I think makes her stronger. Eric doesnt abuse his power, he treats her as his equal. And he genuinely accepts her for who she is, fickle yet a decent, simple, wholesome, and goodhearted human being who wants to be loved. Their relationship has transcended far beyond just sex and lust to something real now. And I really really really hope we get to see it play out on the show and in book 9."agree 100%, sookie allows him to love and shows him the way.. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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57. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 8 2009, 5:41 PM EDT
Sookie breaks up with Quinn in the books because she says she "wants to come first" in a relationship and not play second fiddle to anyone.Eric puts her first! All of the time! Before he lost his memory, after he got it back, and after he remembered everything! Eric always does for her without being asked. Whether Sookie wants to admit it or not, Eric is exactly what she wants. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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58. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 8 2009, 7:22 PM EDT
"Sookie breaks up with Quinn in the books because she says she "wants to come first" in a relationship and not play second fiddle to anyone.I think you better go back and read the books...Eric puts Eric first and foremost Do you find this valuable? |
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59. RE: Reasons Eric and Sookie should be together...
Apr 8 2009, 8:30 PM EDT
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To me it seems like when we discuss why Eric and Sookie should be together, perhaps we should be focusing on Eric's attributes and the merits of Eric and Sookie's relationship with each other. Maybe I'm missing the point, and if so, I apologize, but I don't see much reason to drag Bill into the discussion because even if he is "Mr Wrong" as many Eric fans believe, it doesn't have any bearing on making Eric "Mr Right". I don't mean to offend anyone here; just bringing up an idea. I think Eric is neat and beautiful and would love to hear more about him that I've missed but when I'm reading a post about Eric and it's mixed in with critiques of Bill all in the same post, I tend to not really see and absorb the neat Eric stuff. Just throwing in my two cents for what it's worth, probably about two cents, or less. LOL. Do you find this valuable? |