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Zulu42
Zulu42
40. RE: The Voo Doo Woman
Dec 10 2008, 9:45 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 9:45 PM EST
"There is literally no reason a person working in a pharmacy or a McDonald's or anywhere else couldnt' be a spiritual practitioner. They like the idea of a mystic who lives in the woods or in a swamp and has nothing to do with the waking world. Our culture doesn't have places like that for our holy people the way some groups do. Even if you walk between the worlds, you probably have rent to pay and need electricity.

I just felt as if the whole Voodoo story line was over the top and added very little to the show. I felt that there was a distinct lack of respect for spiritual practices in general. I have a sinking feeling that AB is going to have that liberal discomfort with actual religion that the Left so often displays. They can tolerate everything except religion in many cases. I'm a liberal/Progressive myself, but I'm very aware of the anti-religion bias that exists. It is used to oppress people who practice alternative religions as well as mainstream ones. There's no more logic in declaring all religion false than there is in declaring science false because it disagrees with religious texts.

The people I've encountered who want to exorcise demons are Christian. I've met people who practiced African-based systems and they talk about spirits, loas and orishas, but I've never heard of one talking about demons. The scariest critter I've ever encountered was conjured (probably subconsciously) by a lady claiming to channel an angel. People who believe in demons shouldn't do spiritual work. They're dangerous, they're too open to suggestion and they can get people hurt.

If I were writing TB, I would have the vampires interact a lot with Wiccans - we're naturally disposed to being tolerant of oppressed groups. We'd be natural allies. "
Exactly! When I saw the reveal of Ms Jeannette working in the pharmacy the thought that crossed my mind was "so." In fact it actually made sense to me that she would choose a modern day profession that was closely mirrored to her spiritual self. Though many drugs are synthecially produced today, many are or were originally made from plants and herbs.

The fact that Ms J had some power to heal is practically irrefutable judging by the transformation of Tara's mother. Alcohol in may aspects is a "demon" and I don't know of any life long alcoholic that can suddenly give it up so quickly without suffering withdrawls One could say The Cure might've been largely the placebo effect, but still it worked.

About the portrayal of the spirituality, I agree that as soon as you see the Voo Doo woman (why are they always women?) you are lead to believe that bad things are about to happen. I foudn it funny that she charged Tara $799.95 for her "excorsim" I guess that was a clue to the viewer that something was coming. I do want to say that I think the actresses playing Ms J & Tara's Mother (can't remember the characters name) both did excellent jobs at bringing their characters to life on screen but that whole story line doesn't seem to bring any value added to the Vampyre story arc, unless there is a tie in later on, which I doubt.
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Zulu42
Zulu42
41. RE: The Voo Doo Woman and Demons
Dec 10 2008, 10:04 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 10:04 PM EST
" Catholic ritual is mostly based on Pagan traditions anyway,"

That is very true. My born again friends don't like it when I ask them what colored eggs or bunnies have to do with the ressurection of Christ or why they bring in a "christmas" tree to decorate every year. I am sure there are many more examples that can be expounded upon.

I do agree there is a difference in Southern religious practices and Northern. Up here in the north I think it is a bit more conservative (stifling in fact) and few of us have grave yards in our back yards.

About the drowning of the Opossum, poor thing! I am surprised animal rights groups aren't up in arms over that! I know its fake, but couldnt' she've just given that poor critter a stern talking to? LOL
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nocturnalinnc
nocturnalinnc
42. Do Witches have a heirarchy?
Dec 10 2008, 10:14 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 10:14 PM EST
Ladies, Thanks for taking the time to educate us all on the subject. I was wondering if tyou have spirital leaders? In the story Eric is cursed by a Witch and is running for his life when Sookie drives up on him. Do you think Eric is disrupting some sort of natural order that needs intervention or is it a Witch acting on his or her own. Sorry I haven't finished Dead to the world yet, but maybe you'all can elaborate? I hope like you that AB doesn't make the supernaturals stereotypical, I know from the show that he has not done that to the vampires. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Morgaine
Morgaine
43. RE: The Voo Doo Woman
Dec 10 2008, 10:33 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 10:33 PM EST
"Exactly! When I saw the reveal of Ms Jeannette working in the pharmacy the thought that crossed my mind was "so." In fact it actually made sense to me that she would choose a modern day profession that was closely mirrored to her spiritual self. Though many drugs are synthecially produced today, many are or were originally made from plants and herbs.

The fact that Ms J had some power to heal is practically irrefutable judging by the transformation of Tara's mother. Alcohol in may aspects is a "demon" and I don't know of any life long alcoholic that can suddenly give it up so quickly without suffering withdrawls One could say The Cure might've been largely the placebo effect, but still it worked.

About the portrayal of the spirituality, I agree that as soon as you see the Voo Doo woman (why are they always women?) you are lead to believe that bad things are about to happen. I foudn it funny that she charged Tara $799.95 for her "excorsim" I guess that was a clue to the viewer that something was coming. I do want to say that I think the actresses playing Ms J & Tara's Mother (can't remember the characters name) both did excellent jobs at bringing their characters to life on screen but that whole story line doesn't seem to bring any value added to the Vampyre story arc, unless there is a tie in later on, which I doubt. "
They're always women because women are better at magick and psychic work.
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Morgaine
Morgaine
44. RE: Do Witches have a heirarchy?
Dec 10 2008, 10:38 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 10:38 PM EST
"Ladies, Thanks for taking the time to educate us all on the subject. I was wondering if tyou have spirital leaders? In the story Eric is cursed by a Witch and is running for his life when Sookie drives up on him. Do you think Eric is disrupting some sort of natural order that needs intervention or is it a Witch acting on his or her own. Sorry I haven't finished Dead to the world yet, but maybe you'all can elaborate? I hope like you that AB doesn't make the supernaturals stereotypical, I know from the show that he has not done that to the vampires. "
Well, there are Witches we look up to, whose work we admire - Starhawk, Z. Budapest, the late Shekhinah Mountainwater, to name a few, but there is no central clergy and no "master" - masters have slaves, and the Charge of the Goddess promises we shall be free from slavery. We are each children of the Goddess and an indivisible part of Her, so no one has a closer connection to Her than we do. There's nothing to be saved from, no such thing as sin, and what we do comes back to us.
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Morgaine
Morgaine
45. RE: Do Witches have a heirarchy?
Dec 10 2008, 10:46 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 10:46 PM EST
"Ladies, Thanks for taking the time to educate us all on the subject. I was wondering if tyou have spirital leaders? In the story Eric is cursed by a Witch and is running for his life when Sookie drives up on him. Do you think Eric is disrupting some sort of natural order that needs intervention or is it a Witch acting on his or her own. Sorry I haven't finished Dead to the world yet, but maybe you'all can elaborate? I hope like you that AB doesn't make the supernaturals stereotypical, I know from the show that he has not done that to the vampires. "
Hallow and her group are not Witches, they're Warlocks. Eric simply said no to a woman who was willing to use harmful and manipulative magick to get what she wanted. I do think that Eric happened to appear on the road where Sookie was because she's the only human he had a connection to and that is significant.

Chow is wrong, by the way, about the sympathetic magick not working on a vampire. A physical connection is a physical connection, doesn't matter if he's technically undead.

I don't agree with the idea that vampires are undead and therefore unnatural and not "organic." That's an awfully biocentric attitude. If a vampire did exist, it would be a part of nature. Many things in nature feed on blood. Vampires are immortal, they're stronger- they are MORE than human, not less. Maybe humans will evolve into vampires. Maybe vamps are a genetic mutation, or an improvement.
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spire60
spire60
46. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 10 2008, 11:38 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 10 2008, 11:38 PM EST
"Got a hankering question about the show, True Blood's mythical inaccuracies, supernatural lore, or just the universe in general? Don't be shy! Query our clever resident witch, Morgaine — you know you want to..."
I wondered about the myths of stone Gargoyles. ( Not the Disney ones, though I like that cartoon.) I'm an american melting pot of english,french, scottish, irish and I've always felt the pull of their ancient lore. Do you believe that there could have been some real basis for those stories? I know everything contains energy, the elements -earth, air, fire, water. I'm an artist from a family of creative folks. My grandfather was a stone mason. Yes, he did a lot of work on headstones. I would love to see a Gargoyle like character introduced in the show.. Maybe as a silent observer between the supers.
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nocturnalinnc
nocturnalinnc
47. RE: Do Witches have a heirarchy?
Dec 11 2008, 12:02 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 12:02 AM EST
"Hallow and her group are not Witches, they're Warlocks. Eric simply said no to a woman who was willing to use harmful and manipulative magick to get what she wanted. I do think that Eric happened to appear on the road where Sookie was because she's the only human he had a connection to and that is significant.

Chow is wrong, by the way, about the sympathetic magick not working on a vampire. A physical connection is a physical connection, doesn't matter if he's technically undead.

I don't agree with the idea that vampires are undead and therefore unnatural and not "organic." That's an awfully biocentric attitude. If a vampire did exist, it would be a part of nature. Many things in nature feed on blood. Vampires are immortal, they're stronger- they are MORE than human, not less. Maybe humans will evolve into vampires. Maybe vamps are a genetic mutation, or an improvement. "
Thank you for answering my questions, it all sounds so liberating. Oh, I think there are those that are a throw back to alot of things we don't fully comprehend. For example and I'm not trying to be funny, but I'm sure we all know people that drain all the energy or happiness from a room everytime they are around. I call them emotional vampires. I keep an open mind about a great many things in nature, some things we can rationalize and others, well they just are.
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nocturnalinnc
nocturnalinnc
48. RE: The Voo Doo Woman and Demons
Dec 11 2008, 12:16 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 12:16 AM EST
"" Catholic ritual is mostly based on Pagan traditions anyway,"

That is very true. My born again friends don't like it when I ask them what colored eggs or bunnies have to do with the ressurection of Christ or why they bring in a "christmas" tree to decorate every year. I am sure there are many more examples that can be expounded upon.

I do agree there is a difference in Southern religious practices and Northern. Up here in the north I think it is a bit more conservative (stifling in fact) and few of us have grave yards in our back yards.

About the drowning of the Opossum, poor thing! I am surprised animal rights groups aren't up in arms over that! I know its fake, but couldnt' she've just given that poor critter a stern talking to? LOL"
Looking back at my good Catholic upbringing, there was a great many "rituals" that today I look back on and say "what the hell," My mother decended from Spanish and French blood and I'll tell you see knew her way around healing with herbs, tarot cards and honoring the dead. She claims that she learned from her mother who inturn learned from previous generations. Of course these things were never discussed in public, ever.... Huh, I wonder now.
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RedMercury
RedMercury
49. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 3:43 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 3:43 AM EST
"
By the way, the violence and bloodletting wasn't as bad as all that. Dionysus is the party god - he's about tripping and f*cking, though some animals were definitely sacrificed in his name and consumed by the revelers. Remember that all of these myths have been put through the patriarchal filters of Academia - you can't take what you read as the real truth of the matter, but as a myth that has layers upon layers of propaganda and Christian revisionism piled onto it.

The church fathers had quite a time trying to get the women of the old world to stop running wild in the woods, drinking, tripping and having sex during Bacchanalia, especially in the rites that took place on March 16 & 17. These rites go back to the matriarchy that predated Western patriarchy, and so they were painted as being much more dark and dangerous than they actually were. Women didn't give up their mysteries without a fight, even after the Inquisitions started trying to erase and re-write their history with torture and violence. The Maenads were originally the nurses who cared for Dionysus in his youth, and they only began to run wild with him as he grew to his teen years. Dionysus is a form of the Once and Future King like Jesus, Arthur and Odin. He is the Eternal Youth, who never ages - or dies young - and the Maenads were older than he. Think of how the church would have viewed the idea of older women partying in the woods with young guys to whom they weren't married. These women would leave their husbands to practice the rites of the Young god and married men were generally forbidden to attend. The rites were only tolerated as long as they were because they were believed to be necessary to producing good crops.


"
Thank You Morgaine!
You rock the socks off!

Something I always thought funny Maenads translates to "the Raving ones" - and the would go out to the hinter land - trip, fuck, get drunk and crazy etc.
NOWADAYS - We have RAVES - where people go to the modern industrial hinter land of an inhabited area - trip, fuck, get drunk and crazy etc.
The more things change - the more they really stay same.
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RedMercury
RedMercury
50. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 4:06 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 4:06 AM EST
Question;

Do some people just tick on the Yin side rather than the Yang?
ie - arn't some people just naturally attracted to or adept at dark energy?
Like their springs are just wound counter clock wise rather than clock wise (windershins? sp?)

And if so, pro's con's, trouble shooting, etc?
-Danke

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CO4LADY
CO4LADY
51. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 5:39 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 5:39 AM EST
My question is, is it true that it was belived at one time that if you were left handed that you were considered a witch? Do you find this valuable?    
ByteMeBill
ByteMeBill
52. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 11:27 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 11:27 AM EST
"A silver pentacle is the one favored by most Witches. If you want something more subtle, wear hematite, but be sure to rinse it out regularly or the negativity will spill back on you. "
In my minor crystal studies, I learned citrine is one of the strongest crystals that neutralizes negativity. It is so strong that it does not need to be cleansed. Thoughts?
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CBunny
CBunny
53. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 11:57 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 11:57 AM EST
"A Ouija board is a tool, just like Tarot cards or a crystal or a scrying mirror or a pendulum. It has no inherent power and is neither good nor evil. The problem arises when you get people who have been raised on the idea of demons and devils playing around with things they know nothing about. There are entities that can be drawn to people that are not so nice, the same way some people are not so nice - and if you give them an opening, they'll take it. These entities are just energy with consciousness, so if you believe in demons, they'll take on the attributes you ascribe to demons in order to influence you. It didn't start out as a demon and probably won't be one after, but your own expectation has created a demon from it because that's what some part of you wants to see.

People who want to work a Ouija board need to know that

1) nothing can possess you without your permission. You are always in control of your own consciousness and soul and nothing can change that.

2) you should protect yourself with prayer before you begin your work and specifically ask that only helpful, friendly spirits participate

3) show some respect for the entitites or energies you encounter, ask their names and say hello

4) Say please and thank you, say good night when you are done

5) NEVER ask about death

6) the board is like training wheels on a bike. It makes things a little easier, but you don't really need it to get the same information. The power is within YOU. The board is just a conduit.

It's not a game, but it can be fun as long as everyone involved has a positive attitude and an open, healthy mind. People who are unstable or overly religious shouldn't try to do spiritual work. Stick with meditation and prayer. "
Golly gee! I wished I knew how to use a Ouija board when I was a child. My mother always thought I had "the gift", like my paternal grandmother. She gave me a Ouija board. Since I am from NYC and we misprounce everything, I am calling Ouija, "We-ge".

My brother and two cousins, and I played with a We-ge board. We failed to to everything you listed. And yes, I asked who was going to die, first. The board said, "60." I did not understand what that meant until my brother died in 1980. He was born in 1960 and his cementary lot number is 60. I also asked what would happen to a heroin addicted older cousin. The words said HIV, This was the early 70's, never heard of HIV. But later in life he died of HIV.

Parents should never give We-ge, (Ouija) boards to children. Now I have the guilts. Maybe I was the cause of my brother and cousin dying.

About the gift. Like Sookie, I hate it. So I use drugs to block it out. Often what I see is negative. Once saw an ghost as a child. I asked what it wanted. It said , I was the watcher." What does that mean? Is this another negative thing?
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Morgaine
Morgaine
55. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 3:16 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 3:16 PM EST
"Thank You Morgaine!
You rock the socks off!

Something I always thought funny Maenads translates to "the Raving ones" - and the would go out to the hinter land - trip, fuck, get drunk and crazy etc.
NOWADAYS - We have RAVES - where people go to the modern industrial hinter land of an inhabited area - trip, fuck, get drunk and crazy etc.
The more things change - the more they really stay same.
"
Yes, Dionysus is alive and well ~ young people, especially the girls, will always find their way to him.
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Morgaine
Morgaine
56. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 3:20 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 3:20 PM EST
"Question;

Do some people just tick on the Yin side rather than the Yang?
ie - arn't some people just naturally attracted to or adept at dark energy?
Like their springs are just wound counter clock wise rather than clock wise (windershins? sp?)

And if so, pro's con's, trouble shooting, etc?
-Danke

"
Sure - some people are naturally drawn to certain elements or aspects of energy rather than others. I'm not big on the Yin/Yang concept - it's patriarchal in origin and I believe it perpetuates imbalance - but yes, some people are more drawn to certain things than others. We all have a dark side, or dark aspects, though, and this culture doesn't give us a lot of outlets for that. We need to be able to express all of who we are, not just the politicially correct or socially acceptable parts.
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Morgaine
Morgaine
57. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 3:23 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 3:23 PM EST
"My question is, is it true that it was belived at one time that if you were left handed that you were considered a witch?"
Yes, that was one of many qualities that was supposed to identify one as a Witch, but it isn't really true. At some point, anything that made a person stand out was suspect - red hair, left-handedness, being born with a caul or with teeth, birth marks, you name it. The Inquisitors were finding signs in everything because it was profitable.
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Morgaine
Morgaine
58. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 3:28 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 3:28 PM EST
"In my minor crystal studies, I learned citrine is one of the strongest crystals that neutralizes negativity. It is so strong that it does not need to be cleansed. Thoughts?"
All stones need to be cleansed now and then. Citrine is very strong - I can't wear it because it overloads my 4th Chakra - I get ulcers. Every time I've ever tried to wear a piece of jewelry with 7 stones for the 7 major chakras, that stone falls off. I don't find that it neutralizes negativity at all. It's more like Quartz in that it is an amplifier of energy of all kinds.
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RedMercury
RedMercury
59. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 3:36 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 3:36 PM EST
"Sure - some people are naturally drawn to certain elements or aspects of energy rather than others. I'm not big on the Yin/Yang concept - it's patriarchal in origin and I believe it perpetuates imbalance - but yes, some people are more drawn to certain things than others. We all have a dark side, or dark aspects, though, and this culture doesn't give us a lot of outlets for that. We need to be able to express all of who we are, not just the politicially correct or socially acceptable parts. "
any tips?
web links?
Good Books?
anything?

whats that line from "Who Framed Roger Rabit?" ;
"I'm not Bad, I'm just drawn this way."
lol...


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Morgaine
Morgaine
60. RE: Ask a Witch: Morgaine
Dec 11 2008, 3:44 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 3:44 PM EST
"Golly gee! I wished I knew how to use a Ouija board when I was a child. My mother always thought I had "the gift", like my paternal grandmother. She gave me a Ouija board. Since I am from NYC and we misprounce everything, I am calling Ouija, "We-ge".

My brother and two cousins, and I played with a We-ge board. We failed to to everything you listed. And yes, I asked who was going to die, first. The board said, "60." I did not understand what that meant until my brother died in 1980. He was born in 1960 and his cementary lot number is 60. I also asked what would happen to a heroin addicted older cousin. The words said HIV, This was the early 70's, never heard of HIV. But later in life he died of HIV.

Parents should never give We-ge, (Ouija) boards to children. Now I have the guilts. Maybe I was the cause of my brother and cousin dying.

About the gift. Like Sookie, I hate it. So I use drugs to block it out. Often what I see is negative. Once saw an ghost as a child. I asked what it wanted. It said , I was the watcher." What does that mean? Is this another negative thing?"
You misunderstood my point. I got my first Ouija board when I was 8. There's nothing dangerous about the board itself - it's not using it properly that creates problems.

Even if you accurately predicted a death, that doesn't mean you caused it. Death aspects are individual things - people go when they choose to. You can't take on responsibility for something you didn't cause. Some bad things are going to happen no matter what you know ahead of time. You have to trust that everything happens in the right time and in the right way.

You've got a lot of negative misconceptions about spiritual work - try to let that go. Using drugs won't block out your natural psychic ability - it will only make you more vulnerable to harmful forces. Anything that lowers your metabolism or your ability to control your behavior is going to enhance your psychic reception. If you don't know how to use your gift, it's natural that the more negative stuff will come through more often because it has more energy behind it.

As to the spirit you saw - did it say YOU were the watcher or IT was the watcher? My guess is that It was the watcher, meaning it was watching over you. More than likely, it was a member of your family who passed before you were born that stayed around to make sure you were OK. That's a wonderful thing. Don't be so afraid. You'll be much happier if you learn to work with and accept your gift. Fighting it just causes the energy to come out in uncontrolled ways.

It is perfectly normal to have intuition - every mammal does. It's part of your survival skills. You happened to be born in a culture that suppresses those gifts in people to make them easier to manipulate, but you've found people who know what they are and what they can do, so you don't need to be afraid.
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